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Politicians are wrong about what the public want


So the, out of touch political elite are trying to say that the public would be happy to cough up an extra £2000 a year, per household to prop up the NHS? 

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Wrong! While many British families struggle to make ends meet, the political elite thinks that people will be glad to fund a failing business that is being run into the ground because of their failed policies on how the NHS is managed?

No. This just shows that we have monkeys running our country! Many people on Facebook have shared the above post on various pages; a large number of those people don't even do politics. If our political elite were more than just yes men weighed down by the chains of political correctness, they would see that the people of Britain have had enough. 

Ever increasing taxation to try and fix their mistakes? 

Continuiosly using the NHS as a stick to beat the opposition or a classic party political paper dragon! (Paper Dragon): a politician or political party who campaign to fox the problems they, themselves, cause or have caused by trying to ensure their political future! Some even create the problems intentionally so as to give themselves a reason to campaign (making themselves look busy).

The public are sick of self serving politicians who are detatched from the general public they are supposed to serve!

The revolution will come and only those truly democratic, populist politicos, with the courage of their convictions,  will survive. 




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  1. You really are nasty little right wing propagandists.

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    1. Mmm. “truly democratic populist politicos”... that’s the sort of justification one might expect from a Mussolini or a Pinochet...

      Ranting about the state of the nhs, blaming politicians and foreigners, while rejecting the idea that if we want decent services we might need to pay for them. It’s incoherent, ugly politics. Very brexit.

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    2. we already pay for the nhs...what do you think national insurance is for?

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    3. These right wing zelots love posting (as donald dump) calls it fake news... But in there case its just fictional bollocks.... Typical right wing idiots....

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    4. Are you stupid?
      Every time some one speaks common sense , we get morons like you calling ppl right wing, racist etc.
      Well moron , try going to Egypt for example and gettin treatment.
      No insurance = no treatment , or if must treat,need your passport then here’s your bill, don’t pay then passport isn’t returned til you do.
      Now here in uk ppl come get treatment no questions asked, no bill.
      That’s why we get health tourists. Pregnant women come just to give birth, free, cos in their country even that they have to pay to do.
      It needs stopping . If you haven’t paid nhs for at least 5 years, then pay for treatment

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    5. Anyone with half a brain can see if you take in thousands of immigrants and so called asylum seekers with their families it is going to add to the cost of running our services. Also, as a visitor to foreign countries I take out medical insurance in case I need treatment. Why should all and sundry come here and get treatment for free?

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    6. David Jarman, you have no idea what you are talking about!
      if a foreign national uses the NHS its upto the government to reclaim the expense from the country of the foreign national

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    7. But we use the NHS inEurope under a reciprocal arrangement. People from outside the EU are charged. This is another one of those posts put out by people who want to spread hate and distrust. It's claim is unnecessary as they already do:
      https://improvement.nhs.uk/resources/overseas-patient-upfront-tariff/

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    8. People from outside the UK are not charged, lol. Thats why we have a nhs tourism problem.

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    9. I was born and bred in Scotland but now living in Egypt and when I return to Scotland I have to take out health insurance to cover me as I have been told I am no longer entitled to free NHS even although I get a British state pension. It is unfair that foreigners walk in and get everything put in their hand.

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    10. What Scotland d does May well be different.
      As a fully paid up contributor now retired in the EU I am fully entitled to use the NHS..
      Wbat the bright sparks of brexit have done oneaving is ban those from the EU coming, the ones with a reciprocal arrangement on costs.. They still will get refugees and asylum seekersfrim third world nations who under English law are not allowed to work a d therefore g
      Have to be provided with housing and food allowance and medical are. Very clever of the leavers isn't it?

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    11. Have you ever been to place called Hounslow its a disgrace in fact its demographic genocide to British citizens,Mohammad is the common name in our capital city where also I am now a minority its a discrace on a bus if had a rucksack on I would look like tourist in my own nation its a disgrace
      Wake up

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    12. Dear unknown, why are you worried about being a minority? Are they treated badly or something?

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    13. Yes people pay for the NHS and yet some people think they should increase taxes to pay for it. On the other hand Boris has promised Tax cuts for the rich. Work that one out.

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    14. It's very simple. millions of immigrants into the country who plead the fact they are fleeing a violent wartorn country. If that were so you would stop at the first safe country you came across. Not make your way to a little island, crossing many safe counties getting there. These people are here for one reason. To take advantage of the nhs and benefits system here. All the while our children are being groomed, sold as sex slaves, raped and even murdered. Our people being tageted by them in gangs and terrorist attacks. It IS NOT racist or far right wing. Its called being a realist and not a total dimwit. These people who label people like me racist ect are a disgrace. Sticking up for these people while our children, hundreds of thousands of them, maybe more, are being targeted. If I'm racist for being educated about what is happening to our country and wanting to do something about it then I'll gladly take that label. Maybe more of you should start worrying about their own people and not these economic migrants who have no respect for their host country. Its people or it's customs and laws. I'm 100% certain your tunes would change if one of your children or memeber of your family was effected. It shouldnt come to that for people in this country to show a bit of loyalty to their own people.

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  2. They already are. That's why you're asked questions about your residency when you arrive at the hospital. Some hospitals don't have the mechanisms in place to enforce it. https://fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/

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    1. I am in Uk 10 years and I have been 3x in hospital...and when I had some serious medical problems in 2013, my first visit in hospital in UK, I have been asked for my residency and I got long form to fill in so I do not know why ppl still saying no questions when foregin ppl come to hospital..

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    2. The whole country is a joke let asylum seekers in most are terrorists

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    3. I would not go as far as to say most are terrorists but I do believe most are freeloaders.Immigrants going to Spain have to prove they have a job waiting or that they can support themselves with a pension or from savings.That does not seem to apply in the UK.
      I also have a problem with them reieving benefits but that is for another thread.

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    4. When we applied for the first part of spouse visa, we paid 200£ per year and part thereof, first visa is 33 months so we paid 600£ in total. While here husband has continued to pay towards NHS via his NI contributions. He has been to GP once...,to have initial check up. Now nhs charge has been increased to 400£ per year or part thereof. Our second part is due end of this year. HE CANNOT CLAIM BENEFITS. He is not from EU....he had a police check and took an English test, which again he will have to do this year. UNLIKE people from EU, no test no police check. Before castigating "immigrants" remember some (non EU) will over course of the 3 parts over 5 years of visa be paying around 15k. Visas are a cash cow for the government.

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  3. Doesn't everyone have a national insurance card ......... show it at reception. In other countries with similar systems to the UK you have to show and prove who you are. It's quite simple really.

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    1. Nope. They stopped giving out national insurance cards back in 2012. Besides it's hardly photo ID is it?

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    2. Good reason for all to have registered DNA profiles....

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    3. I'm British. You want my dna?!? Come fuckin get it. See how that works out

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    4. have you got a hard dog as well, I can just see you in your grubby jogging pants and badly spelt tatoos

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  4. other countries are not as soft as ours, why do you think the a&e are so busy ? its because most of them can,t register with a gp as there illegals..so they clog the a&e with minor disorders ,wise up everyone bring in some form of nhs id cards if you ain,t got one you get charged or shown the door..

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    1. YOU stupid man there is already a NHS card and we all have NHS number, so if your not from this country you be expected to pay.STUPID STUPID read some books you might find a few things out. this whole blog has been set up by some thick stupid right wing dick head.The only reason the NHS is failing is because of the hopeless Tory party withholding funding .

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    2. John R. you are showing your ignorance and bias.... I and many people I know have NHS cards, bu because we have taken residence outside the UK we are not allowed free NHS treatment despite the fact of having paid into the system for over 40 years.... So I am wih the writer of this post.... foreigners should not get free NHS treatment, if they cannot prove their entitlement they should be sent back to where they came from...

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    3. Where have you lived road and where and for how long? I bet the answer is nowhere.
      We conquered and pillaged half the world but we're leaving the EU because of immigrants!

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    4. Should read lived abroad.

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  5. The NHS do charge non-residents already, also we have a mutual agreement with European countries that basic emergency treatment will be available for us Brits in Europe, hence the E111 card. Non emergency treatment results in a bill from the hospital - a few weeks or more after your treatment. I wish people would get their facts right; the A&E depts are mostly full of UK citizens, with lots of elderly people who tend to end up filling beds as they cannot care for themselves at home & there isn't enough care in the community. This also means that others have to wait for beds

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    1. Ok so why are asylum seekers using our GP services for minor problems? Or even problems the have had for absolutely years such as back probs?

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    2. Yes a few weeks or more after there treatment. When they have left the country and they then don't pay

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    3. Fool! Eastern Europeans register in the U.K. and get issued NHS cards take them back to Romania/Poland and use them to get all sorts of treatment in their countries of origin and then their governments bill the NHS back in the U.K. For that treatment!! Without the UK card they would get nothing done or would have to pay! We get ripped off both ends .......... wake up!

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    4. YOUR THE FOOL it does not work that way.

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    5. E111 card no longer exists now we have EICH I wish people would get their facts right

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    6. its the EHIC ..... European Health Insurance Card . Not E111 or EICH

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    7. Its a very easy system to understand if u live in European u can register for a EHIC. This allows you to receive treatment in any European country as a resident of that country would receive it. the hospital will then submit a form and receive the money back via the card from the patient country of origin. if you are from outside of europe and are visiting or in the uk on a tempoarly basis then you shall need insurance or pay for the treatment yourself (same work for when we travel outside of europe). People can move from europe and live in the uk and as long as they are here exercising the correct rights (PAYING THERE TAXES...) They are entitled to treatment free of charge. People can move from outside europe to the uk and as long as they have a VISA or are on NASS support(for asylum seekers without help) they are also entitled to free nhs care. may i just add also the have a NHS NUMBER does not and never has entitled anyone to free nhs care and its is purely and reference number and anyone can register to get one.....

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    9. If you look at visa applications on the GOV.uk website, anyone applying for a visa has to pay a health care supplement, so people are paying for NHS treatment one way or another

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    10. my wife is thai on a 5 year visa route and we had £500 nhs charge to pay for 2 1/2 years,the next visa we get will be over £2000 just for the visa,she is allowed to work which she has been doing and paying n.i payments but not claim any benefits from the state,this country forgets about its own people and treat all these scroungers different,they blame pensioners for the lack of money but they never mention the immigrants who are raping the country and not putting money in to it

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  6. dont you ever wonder who pays for the bombs we drop on children abroad. money doesnt grow on trees and were always invasding some poor cuntry with the yanks..

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    1. got to keep world population down somehow

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  7. The level of ignorance of Brexit supporters astounds me.

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    1. It’s alarming. Wild baseless accusations. At the bottom it’s always the same - foreigners to blame. It’s more than ignorance.

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    2. the level of ignorance of remain supporters astounds me

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    3. It is shocking. I agree. I honestly think these remain supporters genuinely do not ever find out fact from fiction. They all sing from the same song sheet. And never can reply with an educated, well informed comment. Just blame the "right wing" "biggots" "racists ". Its boring now and frankly embarrassing. They make themselves look stupid and very very childish. Bless em.

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  8. Jeremy Hunt admitted earlier this year the legislation – due to be in place in April 2017 – had been delayed due to Brexit https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-migrants-nhs-treatment-pay-upfront-fees-hospital-charge-date-when-a7833111.html

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  9. Its a very easy system to understand if u live in European u can register for a EHIC. This allows you to receive treatment in any European country as a resident of that country would receive it. the hospital will then submit a form and receive the money back via the card from the patient country of origin. if you are from outside of europe and are visiting or in the uk on a tempoarly basis then you shall need insurance or pay for the treatment yourself (same work for when we travel outside of europe). People can move from europe and live in the uk and as long as they are here exercising the correct rights (PAYING THERE TAXES...) They are entitled to treatment free of charge. People can move from outside europe to the uk and as long as they have a VISA or are on NASS support(for asylum seekers without help) they are also entitled to free nhs care. may i just add also the have a NHS NUMBER does not and never has entitled anyone to free nhs care and its is purely and reference number and anyone can register to get one.....

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    1. Yes you are correct! But you are forgetting one main point with your comments . That being the point of filling the form in to make a claim for the people that have received treatment, the U.K. settle any payments demanded from these other EU countries, within a few months, but when it come to these other EU countries settling their demands for payments, is another story, the ROI now have a outstanding debt to the UK for NHS services provided to their citizens, is at this moment standing at around £473 million, this as built up over the last 15 years, seeing there is many ROI citizens living in the UK, than the amount of U.K. citizens living in ROI, last year the U.K. paid back to ROI on demand of a bill of £46 million paid in full, but the U.K. government sent a bill to ROI for £38 million and only got paid £19 million, now if this is happening all over the EU members, the figures would be out of all proportion as to the U.K. NHS losing out once again, it seems come one come all to me, their governments are approving of this state of affairs, being party to the fraud, but again nobody ever mentions this fact, all adding up to the real cost of being a member of the EU!

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    2. 100% correct. Thank god there are still some who do their homework and educate themselves instead of jumping on the bandwagon.

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  10. Some Europeans that come here to live are only here for the benefit system so therefore aren’t paying their taxes and before anyone calls me a fool i know this is true as there was a documentary on tv not that long where some Europeans admitted they were only here for the benefit system as they get given an NI number then register with gp and then get into the benefit system one bloke was sending his benefit back to his country to build his house and on camera he said im going home for a few days to do work on my house paid by Britain then I’ll be back and I’ll bring one of my other kids with me so he can get into the system and be registered with a gp and the programme even showed him doing all the registration and he then turned round and said my son is now on the benefit system and he’ll get child benefit and he will be going back home to his mum and he brought another child back with him and repeated it all so how can these people be allowed to do this

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    1. If it was on the TV , it must be true!
      Too many gullible fools!

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    2. That is 100% true. The trick they used to use, don't know if they still do, is to get a job selling the big issue, that way they get an national insurance number. As soon as thwy got that they immediately claim benefits. I cannot believe how deluded a big portion of this country is. Instead of doing their own homework they discredit what is actually the truth, just because they read something on one of their deluded leftie snowflake groups on fb. THEY ARE 90% economic migrants and they are 90% to blame for the nhs not being able to cope. Fact.

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  11. Do correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the idea to add an extra penny in the pound on income tax to help fund the NHS? Which if I'm not mistaken works out as an average of £2,000 per average household, not as each actual household actually paying an extra £2,000 each year?

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  12. I'm going to put this straight right now because unlike SOME people who post stupid meme's or worse MAKE THESE STUPID MEME'S like this!
    I ASKED someone who works in the NHS. Guess what!
    if you do not have an NI number once you are over 16 you don't get free treatment it's THAT simple. AND they now ask for ID to prove your from the UK. SO err yeah this meme is redundant and stupid.

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    1. Yes they get charged and recieve a bill to which a huge majority never ever gets paid. Thats the problem. Our countey is too soft and do not do enough to make sure the payments are made. This is why we are getting tougher, not a british citizen from birth, not paid into the system for 5 years plus. You pay for treatment. Simple. People need to get their priorities right in this country. These very same people come her, abuse our nhs and benefits system, they target our children who are being groomed, gang raped, sold as sex slaves. But where are all you leftie snowfalkes then??? Don't see the massive outcry about the hundreds of thousands of our own children who have so far been effected. Out of sight out of mind. Unless it effects you peraonally. If that were to happen you would soon change your tunes. If one of your children or a member of your family were to god forbid become one of those poor little victims. But yeah lets for get about that and call anyone who dares to bring these things up a racise, a biggot or far right wing. Those of you on here who are quick to throw insults and brand their own people who don't share your uneducated views as racist ect ect yawn ect. Get your heads out sand and give them a massive wobble and worry more about islam. And before you start going crazy because i dared to say that.....islam is the biggest most worrying danger our country faces. And guess what????? Thats not racist. ISLAM IS NOT A RACE!!!!! It's a religion/cult. That's bigger than the strain THEY are all putting on the nhs. We won't have a n NHS if they get their way. We will be an islamic state.

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  13. Do you all even know your own laws? Let's clear this up shall we. STOP SPREADING LIES! People living outside https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-overseas-visitors-hospital-charging-regulations/summary-of-changes-made-to-the-way-the-nhs-charges-overseas-visitors-for-nhs-hospital-care
    People who live outside the EEA, including former UK residents, should now make sure they are covered by personal health insurance, unless an exemption applies to them. Anyone who does not have insurance will be charged at 150% of the NHS national tariff for any care they receive.

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  14. I thought that we where going forward but are going backwards to before 1948 we had a labour goverment so now the feckin tories are wanting to spoil it for us again who the feck voted them in all they want to do is make life good/better for the haves and fuck the have nots same old same old

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    1. The labour supporter above wants to express an opinion but gives no evidence to support these views and cannot even spell some words and has to use swear words to express him/herself.

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    2. Yes you would find if you were to go through all these comments that you never see non labour/leftie snowflakes spitting abuse/ name calling generally being vile. Thats all they can so, whereas we the opposition posts facts and educated comments. They don't know how to deal with that so resort to saying everything we say is a lie and do the usual throwing of the race card ( think a lot of people need to get the old dictionary out and refresh their memories as to the meaning of the word racist). Its actually now laughable at the situations and the context at which they will use the word ha ha. I for one, am not racist, or a far right bigot. I am a proud british woman who is concerned about her country and about the mental state of a large proportion of her own nation. They seem to have forgotten what their own ancestors fought 2 wars for. They have forgotten what it means to be british and proud. And for that i am utterly ashamed of them.

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  15. Erm, non-EU citizens are already charged for using the NHS (apart from A&E care). This meme, like so many others, is designed simply to mislead and wind nationalists up.

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    1. Yes they get changed in the sense that thwy get a bill. Thats it. A fraction of what is owed to the NHS is actually paid. Do your homework. Check out the facts before trying to discredit the truth

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  16. It does so well at dragging out the leftist shit and entertains as they spit thier dummies and throw thier favourite ted bears. Blame the government, the people that could have still controlled borders, set limits, or even invested into the infrastructure. They didnt and there is only so much time and money available to the NHS. If you havent paid into the NHS with contrabutions, then you dont deserve the use of the NHS. Free for everyone is no longer an option. The harder the brexit, the better the end result will be. There will be dark days, but they will get better outside of that corrupt organization and then our brothers and sisters from around europe will follow suit.

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    1. The NHS was never "free". The UK working population who pay taxes finance it. This is why all users should be carefully screened and only treated if they have contributed NI payments or are too poor or infirm to contribute. Immigrants should have compulsory health Insurance until they complete a minimum period of taxed employment.

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    2. Couldn't agree more. It's worrying just how many uneducated people there are in this country, who are so quick to spit the word racist or far right wing, all for saying it wxactly how it is. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that these immigrants pass over many many safe countries to make their way here. They are here to take advantage of our nhs and benefits system. If you were to ask any immigrant in any other European country that wants to come to the uk, they will say they want to come here because they get money and housing for free. They use the a & e like their own personal doctors surgery and the nhs cannot cope with the massive sudden influx. If we were to stop it all the amount of people wanting to come here will be a fraction of what it is now. That's besides the fact that a hige majority of these people cannot stand our people and are violent, dangerous people who are a danger to our national security. Fact. I cannot believe that they are able to come here, taget our children, hurt our children and nobody is doing a thing about it. Instead you get idiots, like some on this thread that instead will stand up for these people and target their own people, branding them racist, for saying it how it is. For being concerned about our children being groomed and raped and far worse. People need to take a step back, shut their mouths and get their priorities right.

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  17. WTF. You "LEFTIES" & "CORBYN" are even worse,than the right wing.
    God helpus if "Bloody 'COMMIE'Cobyn" gets the key to no' 10.
    He ruin us n make the UK. Bankrupt. FFS.

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    1. socialism is for everyone,to become a member of the elite i.e a tory twat you have to grease a lot of palms. there is dignity in work and that is what most of us the people who make this countrys wealth have to get on and do. please don't be so pedantic as to point out the spelling mistakes, I'm as close to perfect as I need to be.

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  18. I hate to break it to you moaning little leftards, this post has had 327,000 shares!

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    1. If this is the case,why don't you start a petition and send it to parliament and see if they will debate it there?

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  19. Thank you for this post, and very true. A lot of so called do gooders, will shout, as they always do, when the truth is spoken. Bodies that lay in wait for posts just like this. Yes politicians are a disgrace, any politician that tries to get their own way which is different than the majority, is doing so, only to be awkward and hold up what the electorate has voted for. What next I ask, what happens when the next general election comes round and their party is elected, will we wait over 2 years before they take up power. The country voted to leave, yes we all know that the Prime minister at the time felt the vote would be to remain and that shows how out of touch with the public he and his party, plus the shadow government also. Who knew before the vote that it was to take 2 years, yes not many I guess. The vote also was to close our borders and they are still wide open with migrants arriving every day, since the vot over a million have arrived and then there are the illegals that probably doubles that number. Remember they all get cars and all need homes and National care, remember these so called politicians whe you vote again and the do gooders that will shout this comment down

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    1. and you probably can't quote a provable statistic. and even if you're half right there are probably more white anglo saxon benefit spongers than immigrants, and most of the immigrants I've met do work and contribute to society. lets face it, you are a racist .see you next tuesday

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  20. Sorry to burst your little racist bubble, but we DO charge foreign visitors for using the NHS. Try doing some research before spreading your bile. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-overseas-visitors-hospital-charging-regulations/summary-of-changes-made-to-the-way-the-nhs-charges-overseas-visitors-for-nhs-hospital-care

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    1. you are dead right! we would like to be looked after if we fell ill abroad. not much of a far right group if they can't just say yes we're racist. cunts!

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  21. fair enough if we charge, but do the bills get paid and if not are we robust enough in chasing payment

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  22. You nasty, lying, shyt-stirring toerags. Get a conscience and stop manipulating the underclasses.

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  23. Since none of you can spell correctly, even though this site has a spell check program, It has been decided, by the In the middle party, that your opinions, left or right are invalid. Yet hear this, that Nurse that cared for your Grandmother, He was eastern European. The operator when you dialed 999 who can speak 6 languages was Turkish. When the ambulance arrived paramedic Kowalczyk from Poland was first on the scene. The whole team in a&e were descendants of "foreigners" who came over decades ago in the 1800's. In fact, in that operating room, the very surgeon who fixed your Grandmothers heart was from India... enough said.

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  24. I have been miss diagnosed by the NHS for 20 years and they forgot to report I had a Brain Tumour! If doctors did their job properly and treated patients at the first visit (before problems have escalated) then we may not have so many problems and queues. I had go private to get my broken coccyx repaired and several other complaints not properly diagnosed by doctors. I am fortunate that I can afford private medical insurance but that is because I have to work as the Labour government made it illegal for certain people to contribute to a pension scheme, of whom I am one! Otherwise I could have retired 10 years ago. I do say if I have to work the least the country can do is keep me fit enough to do it!

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    1. that's right- and the torys don't look after themselves I.E the privelidged few. go on be a cunt and point out the spelling mistakes, I'm still mooore articulate than you. twat!

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  25. There are indeed foreigners leeching off the NHS - the billionaire heads of US corporations who are competing for "outsourced" NHS services, which are less efficient and vastly more expensive than those same services were when provided by the NHS. That's who you should be directing your ire at, and who are costing the taxpayer a fortune, not the relatively small number of tourists who end up getting some free A&E treatment.

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  26. so, we're meant to believe all politicions are in it for the money, they could get 5 times the wage if they were managing a business.its easy to sit on yer arse and criticise but you fucking wankers couldn't cope with what these people are trying to achieve.fucking racist little Englanders most of you.and yes! iknow ive made a few spelling mistakes, but I know xenophobic cunts when I see them

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    1. The NHS is an amazing service but is really badly managed at the top.
      1. Re-empower GPs to diagnose and treat ppl instead of being a referral service to the hospital.
      2. Cut red tape and defence mechanisms at the hospital.
      3. Smoother running of care in the community to free up hospitals.
      4. Focus on systems that can actually be implimented rather than a brain child that doesn't work.
      5. Open minded, genuine feed back from the ground to the top and act on it.

      These simple 5 things that I've observed would save millions in the long run and make experiences more positive for patients and staff as well.

      Constructive discussion is far better than foul language or stupid name calling. Amazed at some peopLe.

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  27. I am proud to be English, I am proud to be british , I am proud of both my flags, and I am also proud of the fact that so many of my friends of varying religions, and ethnic backgrounds also feel as proud to be british as I do. this is a racist site

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  28. I have seen and heard if health tourism first hand as an nhs worker. People have told me that they come to the UK for treatment. I know this because I have looked after them.

    We may sometimes recoup the costs but nowhere near enough.

    I pay through my extortionate taxes already for service's in the UK and burn and bred here. I've always worked so not claimed benefit either. I cannot get the healthcare I need either for certain conditions I have and still end up paying again if I want treatment. We are crisis managing and have been for so long. We need to look ahead long term, not just 5 years. Dentists have 2 year waiting list for my child where we live and unless I pay she won't get seen. I'm sure we're not alone. Fast forward 15 years and we will have a nation of people with oral ill health that inevitably will cost more to treat long term.

    I cannot get a minor procedure for a condition...... it will cost the NHS more to manage that condition long term then treat the cause.

    Our country is short sighted when it comes to health and they find money where and when they need/want it but not where it should go to help your own nation.

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  29. So what constitutes a foreign visitor. Someone who falls ill and travels here to get testament?
    Or someone who is of foreign birth and has lives here most of his life since child hood?
    Or both?

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  30. Yes Politicians are very much out of touch with what the people want. The reason is simple. They don`t speak to the people that they are supposed to represent. We see them just before an election when they want our vote and never hear from them again. They are totally out of touch with what the people want.

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  31. This is already the case, foreigners have to pay for treatment under the NHS, the problem come in enforcing it. From experience often staff can't be bothered to enforce it as happened with a French friend who had to go to A & E, and showed her EHIC card to which the staff said "we can't be bothered with that". How many times does this happen?

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    1. Exactly right. Pregnant women come here to have their babies as they know noting is being done to enforce the law and not chasing up people for payment. If we were as strict as other countries, the amount of people wanting to make their way here would be a fraction of what it is now.

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  32. Aren't foreign visitors already charged for using the NHS?

    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/health/help-with-health-costs/nhs-charges-for-people-from-abroad/

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  33. Foreign visitor should have a medical insurance when I go aboard including EU countries I take out a medical insurance The UK should take note of Spain. All foreign visitor are treated in private hospitals.This would free up the over stretched NHS.

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  34. You mean like we ALREADY do https://improvement.nhs.uk/resources/overseas-patient-upfront-tariff/

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  35. We have monkeys writing this blog too. Next

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  36. Its a difficult one, i totally understand all the people who say theyve paid their taxes all their lives and so have a right to the NHS, and get that it may seem unfair that others get exactly the same benefits without paying the 1000's that so many others do. But, on the other hand, what doctor or nurse truly worth their salt would turn their backs on a human being in need of help. And if they where able to are they really the kind of people we could entrust the lives of the people we love most? Regardless of where someone is from, surely human lives matter more. Hiw desperate does another human have to be to cross counties to ensure they get the help they need in a safe environment?

    By the way i have no suggestions or solutions and im not here to dispute anyone. I just thinkat the point it's got to now there is no solution that is going to be good for everyone. Whoever in charge of creating a solution has an impossible task, as what seems like the only logically correct answer isnt necessarily morally correct, and personally i know id struggle to sleep at night knowing i was potentially instrumental in the deaths of thousands that had no where else to turn to, even though your just trying to fix the lives of the people belonging to the country. No winners.

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  37. so if we abandon NHS or have it stopped as some suggested for insurance type medical cover which might cost a lot more in the long run will these immigrants have to pay for there treatments to on this new insurance type scheme? remembering if we been paying our National insurance for NHS for 50 odd years why should we lose our NHS because been Swamped by immigrants in the last few years is not our fault either so do we get refunds for all the years we paid into the NHS or just lose it because the powers that be over loaded it with none payers to the NHS system

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  38. Tez I agree with the stats that you have documented but going on real life situation my Dr could not wipe his own back side without making a mistake overpaid under worked not fit for purpose, We need to weed the ghost doctors and replace with professionals who can diagnose without Googling it.

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  39. This is fundamentally false and lies by the usual right wing bigots. Stop ready the Daily Fail and the like. Bar a couple of obviously and fair exemptions they are charged. https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Travel-g186216-c225803/United-Kingdom:Healthcare.In.The.Uk.html

    https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-england/how-to-access-nhs-services-in-england/

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    1. That is a very stupid and uneducated comment. How dare you label anyone who, unlike yourself, can see that if you allow millions of foreigners into your country. There is going to ve more and more stress on our infrastructure. The nhscannot cope with the amount of immigrants using a&e like their personal doctors surgery. You ask anyone who works in a hospital and they will say the same thing. These people say they are fleeing a dangerous or wartorn country but go through many many safe countries to make their way to some little island thousands of miles away????? Get real! They are economic migrants and come here to take advantage of the nhs and benefits system. At the sa.e time our children are being groomed, raped and even murdered. They have no respect for our country, our people, our customs or our laws. And its people like you who are part of the problem. IT IS NOT RACIST FOR WANTING TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY, OUR CHILDREN. I am not racist and i am not far right wing. I am a british citizen that is terrified at the state of our country and the amount of my own people who will protect and stand up for anyone but their own people. You should be ashamed!

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